On the Mat Ranking Week 10 Thoughts - By Tim Yount
This week, I want to touch on a few things less esoteric and more tangible than what I have covered the last few weeks. Let’s start with how regional seeding is done.
Some of you have asked if my rankings play any part in the bracketing. They don’t. That is probably a good thing. But, know that my rankings are a good barometer of what you will see in the various brackets with a few exceptions - there are some average kids with some great records. The schools to which this applies might not have had an overly difficult schedule and/or competed in an inordinate number of duals where kids were not in their weights. So, a 31-7 kid might have only won 15 matches and received 16 forfeits. Yes, this does happen. There are also some really tough kids who are 19-14 or even 18-13. Some of these athletes will not only place in regionals but also state. That certainly supports my position of not looking at kid’s records.
So, how will the brackets be seeded when you see them for the first time tomorrow (after weigh-ins from what we were told)?
1. The higher the state place, the more points that person will have in their accrual. So, a state championship is worth six points, state runner-up, five points…down to six place at state. If the kid placed more than once, the same scale applies. The summation of those years of places is that athlete’s placement number that is then compared to everyone else in the bracket.
2. If two placer winners from different weights are in the same class and finish with the same number of points, the wrestler at the higher weight class last year has precedence.
3. Assuming they are still tied, if two place winners are from different classes (3a vs 4a for instance), the larger class has precedence (4a over 3a in this example).
4. Placement in other states doesn’t count, only in CO.
1. Returning state qualifiers are next in priority. In the case of multiple state qualifiers, the following is used as order of preference to position kids on a bracket:
a. Higher regional place
b. If two place winners from different weights were in the same class and finished in the same place, the wrestler at the higher weight class would have precedence
c. If two place winners are form different classes, the larger class would have precedence.
Wrestlers are placed in order based on winning percentage.
Once order is established, head to head criteria is used to move wrestlers no more than one position apart. The process starts with the first of those placed by winning percentage and works its way down the final athlete on the bracket.
Wrestlers with fewer than 15 matches, will be assessed losses to get to the 15-match minimum. Note that this is ONLY used to seed wrestlers. This DOES not become their new record moving forward. At state, assuming they qualify, the losses are not part of their ‘new record’.
I won’t get far into the weeds to explain how same percentage records are prioritized but note the first tiebreaker is most wins, followed by varsity win percentage at the weight wrestled. Others are not noted here for sake of space.
Positioning on the state bracket
As many of you might know, the ONLY kids who are actually seeded on the state bracket are those who win their region. A similar system for placing the top four that was used for regional bracketing is used here –
A kid with a previous state title is worth 6 points, 2nd being 5 down to sixth place which carries a value of 1. So, if an athlete has placed two times at state (1st and 5th let’s say), it would break out as follows – 6 points for first + 2 points for fifth = 8 points for that kid. The higher the points, the higher the seed.
Next priority is winning percentage. So, for example, if two guys in the same weight have previously placed, the other two guys are prioritized based on winning percentage. The higher percentage the better. If they have the same percentage, head to head is the next deciding factor. If they didn’t meet each other or split for the season, the decision would be made by coin flip.
The top seed in the tourney gets the top position on the bracket. The second number one seed gets the very bottom line on the bracket, with the third seed getting the top line on the BOTTOM SIDE of the bracket and the fourth one seed getting the bottom line on the TOP SIDE of the bracket.
The one seeds always wrestle a fourth-place person from another region. The two and three seeds from a different region will always compete as well. So, in each quarter bracket you have a 1-4 and 2-3 match up, all from different regions. So, the top side bracket will have a 1-4 seed and 2-3 seed in a quarter followed by another 1-4 and 2-3 seed. The same will happen on the bottom side of the bracket. A 16 man bracket has four quarters comprised of 1-4 and 2-3.
How do athletes get placed? After the top number one seeds are placed on the bracket as noted above, the 2-3-4 seeds from different regions are placed in random order on the bracket. Again, the key is that the quarter brackets are comprised of kids from different regions. Every weight will have a different randomized set of athletes so that region one doesn’t consistently take on region four in every weight. This happens for each of the 14 weights.
So, if you are the top kid in the state and you lose in your region by chance (it does happen…a slam or slight injury where you don’t perform at the top level) you MIGHT, through the randomization of the process, end up in the same quarter bracket as the number two kid in the state who won his region. Until such time seeding is considered for any other place, this ‘chance’ of placement like that just noted, will remain. Anyone remember the Wolf of Greeley Central and Yohn of Alamosa match from several years ago? They met in the quarters. They were EASILY the two best in the weight. The same with Seeley of Fruita and Rothrock of Arvada West a few years ago. They too met in the quarters and were the best two in the state. It will happen again this year, count on it.
Another point I wanted to make was how kids need to really be prepared for late-night wrestling. On Thursday, we go to at least 10:45pm. On Friday, it does nearly that late if not closer to 11pm. Kids need to do what we spoke about last week – rest, relax and not let that impact their performances. I know it has in the past and it probably will again. You just have to remind kids that they can work through that and still wrestle at full strength. The mental side…as you recall…is really key for them to not let their hopes of placing crumble because this is a new experience for them.
Team update – I ran all the numbers again but with less scoring for guys out of the top ten so this produced a few different results. Here is a quick snapshot –
2A – Rocky Ford by 20 right now. Meeker is 15 over Hotchkiss. Several teams are within 12 points of Hotchkiss.
3A – Crazy…Valley is ONE POINT over Alamosa currently. But, that was based on a Martinez miss at 145…so if he wrestles, Alamosa leads. Jefferson and La Junta are a half point of each other with Centauri falling off another four points. All five teams are within 12 points of each other.
4A – Pueblo County might set a scoring record. Cheyenne Mountain and Pueblo East are TIED but 45 points behind County. Windsor is seven back of those two and Greeley Central is 15 back of CH and PE. I have a strong suspicion that this will change come state.
5A – Pomona is 48 over GJ which is clear of Brighton by about 11 points. The next team is Poudre, 13 points behind Brighton. The rest of the teams are REALLY tight. Grandview, who lost three kids the past two weeks to injury, gave away 21 points with those losses, hence their move from 4th to 9th.
There you have it. I will be at 5-6 regional tournaments over the next few days. Good luck to everyone.